All I would say is that there was no irrational, ranting, preaching anywhere in it. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. We are pleased to report that he is doing well," Grace Community Church wrote Monday on their website. Here is Kate Shellnut: Last year, Hohn Cho concluded Grace Community Church had made a mistake. 3) Yes you did engage in gossip writing about a child sex scandal without context.you may not see it as such. For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! [16][17], Central to MacArthur's theology is a very high view of scripture (the 66 books of the Protestant Bible). (What a great sales pitch why dont you try it next time David I will even make the trip to Dundee to hear you). PS Im a huge Chandler fan over here. [18] Furthermore, he believes that we are obliged to render full submission to scripture above all else and that "[t]o mishandle the Word of God is to misrepresent the One who wrote it. "[30] MacArthur holds to the dispensationalist school of premillennialism, a pre-tribulational Rapture of the Church, and a literal Millennium. Given that is neither what I wrote, nor what I think. I d not think there is any man alive especially a young man who could cope with this degree of adulation and not have his head explode with pride. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. I made no comment on how Matt Chandler lives as a Christian. When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. And they aint all wrong. His message contained enough truth to make it seem plausible, but at heart it was man-centered. LOS ANGELES PASTOR JOHN MACARTHUR PUBLICLY REBUKES GAVIN NEWSOM FOR 'DIABOLICAL' POLICIES, INVOKING JESUS, Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. If I had said that I wasnt happy with any mega church, that would have been a fault as well. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. [9] In 1963, he was granted a Masters of Divinity from the Bible Institute of Los Angeles's new Talbot Theological Seminary, in La Mirada, California, with honors. I replied tongue in cheek and its unfortunate my smiley emo didnt indicate that. Not on Amazon it aint! It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. He has to answer to God of where is heart is and how he gets or gives the money he has. It just looks weird. I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? What talent, what ability, what fantastic communication skills, what self-belief, what a tragedy! I know the drill. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. A point you also mentioned. There is nothing more basic than these. He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. John MacArthur - Jr. Church and Steven Furtick Jamie A 154 subscribers Subscribe 214K views 7 years ago Fun little clips I put together to give an example of what Dr. MacArthur was speaking on.. We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. If he has lots of money good for him, if he has a nice home- good for him. It is quite shocking. He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. You said he was a great example, I urged caution and pointed to a recent event where he and his church had attracted adverse publicity because of how they handled a particular incident. Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? But if the theology and ecclesiology is off, then alarm bells start ringing. And also trying to get to know what God says in His Word and please stop shouting at those you know nothing about. It was not an accusation, nor an attack. Mutual Fund and ETF data provided by Refinitiv Lipper. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) My main problem about the teaching is that it seems to be so man/woman centred. But to me that is clear what it is. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. "Just so you know, Pastor John had a bug this week and preached our first hour but asked if he might be able to take a break for the second hour. But anyone who writes on my blog and brings such serious accusations is going to have to provide evidence, and you will be challenged. And lets talk about finance. Please dont feel sad that someone disagrees with you. Los Angeles County had sued the church and its pastor, John MacArthur, last August after officials said he had he opened the church and held a large indoor worship service with unmasked attendees . Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. [25], MacArthur has stated that he opposes both "male chauvinist and feminist views. New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? More a worry that this kind of thing will take deeper root here. To be really honest, I find it very difficult to muster up any Christian love for you when you respond to people in this way, though I do recognise that this is something I need Gods help with and forgiveness for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=vvjMUrPUfC4&app=desktop. So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. Since then I have occasionally listened to a sermon, read articles and heard news programes, and watched as this Southern Baptist church has grown to a reported 20,000 plus. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? [31][32][33], MacArthur believes "that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved" (Romans 10:9). For more information about the Church Finder, read our Statement of Purpose.. JOIN Elevation Church Sunday Service with Steven Furtick at 2PM, 5PM, 8PM, 10PM, Live Stream (December-12-2021). I did read your comments. Perhaps then a mature and open discussion could then take place. If he is doing wrong it will come out in the wash but just to hate on a pastor because he has money is stupid. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. The elders had publicly disciplined a woman for refusing . In 1989, after some criticism, he defended his views in a plenary session of the annual convention of the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). I dont agree that its always wrong to mock (otherwise Elijah, Paul and Jesus were wrong), and indeed sometimes mockery has its place. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. March 5, 2021 . (Ezek. [38] He has delivered multiple sermons where he discusses these issues. what evidence do you have for that?). If I was a young Christian I know I could have easily been swept along with this stuff it seems such an attractive message, and he is such an attractive man. Sadly, however, there are also times when you use it to bully, abuse and browbeat. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. [12], MacArthur's daily radio and television program, Grace to You, now broadcast throughout much of the world, was created by the Grace media team to publicize audio cassettes of sermons; in 1977, it was first broadcast in Baltimore, Maryland. Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. Because your worth it! LOL! Its not loving, judgemental, take the beam out of your own eye, it aint wrong to be rich, youre just jealous, hypocrite. MacArthur was also given an honorary degree from Talbot Theological Seminary (Doctor of Divinity, 1977) and from Grace Graduate School (1976). Im sorry, but I didnt state that I had written to you in love, though I did try very hard to temper my comment to you. Do they not see the danger of this? [1] He has been the pastor of Grace Community Church, a non-denominational church in Sun Valley, California since February 9, 1969. As for his preaching, we will disagree. This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. Now of course the labourer is worthy of his hire, and it is not a sin to be rich. Market data provided by Factset. MacArthur responded, "Go home." I have nothing to be jealous of as regards Furtick. to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). Haters will hate This is a classic example of 1 Timothy 5:13 It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. MacArthur responded "unqualified" and proceeded to argue that Furtick, pastor of Elevation Church, was not qualified, by Biblical standards, to be a pastor. Your other comments were directly applied to the Megachurch movement I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. Again I am glad that you were not criticising the whole mega church movement (although I am sure you will understand why your initial post can be read that way).which megachurches are you happy with? The news clip above catalogues the controversy about his $1.8 million new build house caused. 1. Where is the blessed self-forgetfulness? I am happy though if you wish to withdraw your initial comments. Im afraid that you are talking about something you do not really know about and picking on one particular church why? These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. The Church of England's compromise on same-sex relationships is disastrous for everyone. Its a sad fact that this nonsense is already here in Scotland supported by the new breed of self appointed apostles and prophets. MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. The young man concerned served for many years as a missionary in South America before returning to the USA to head up the North American Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. Find a Church . I have not misrepresented what you said. As so often in the church, sex, money and power are the real problems for many because they are the idols of our hearts. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? If that is the last word then so be it. The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. I dont know enough about Elevation to make that kind of judgment, but there are warning signs. Someone feels free to go on the internet post serious accusations and then refuse to substantiate them. He states, "You must receive Jesus Christ for who He is, both Lord and Savior, to be truly saved (2 Peter 2:20). This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. The prominence of the pastor on the website, the Stephen Furtick ministries page, the common self-referrals and endless self-promotion of books/resources etc. The Bad Sadly, whilst every church has the bad, because we are all sinners and therefore infect any structure or organization we are part of, there are sometimes churches that go much further and wander away to the extent that one can hardly call them a church at all. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. The truth be told the Bible never once says it is wrong to have money or stuff. See what mine own hands have wrought. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. Paragraph. If I were like that I would have to discount the Church at Pentecost! The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. Staff Pastor Tom Patton delivered the sermon in MacArthurs stead, telling churchgoers the senior minister was resting., ***As the number of voices facing big-tech censorship continues to grow, please sign up forFaithwires daily newsletterand download theCBN News app, to stay up-to-date with the latest news from a distinctly Christian perspective.***. Its only your perception and I would deny it. However I dont think it is wise or correct to take the givings of the Lords people to make oneself a millionaire actually that is sinful. Lives as a minister with one word: unqualified a minister with one:. 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